# Wonder why FreeRTOS does not support real tickless mode **URL:** \ **Category:** Kernel\ **Created:** [February 18, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.freertos.org/t/wonder-why-freertos-does-not-support-real-tickless-mode/6432 "2017-02-18T18:45:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![system](https://d2v6vdsk2p900z.cloudfront.net/original/1X/7fc8fdb729c645aab5b20282bbe34e57cb407be6.jpeg) [@system](https://forums.freertos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.freertos.org/t/wonder-why-freertos-does-not-support-real-tickless-mode/6432/1 "2017-02-18T18:45:50Z")
**[spachner](https://sourceforge.net/u/spachner/)** wrote on [Saturday, February 18, 2017](https://sourceforge.net/p/freertos/discussion/382005/thread/67d042a7/#6944): Hi, I wonder why FreeRTOS does not support real tick-less mode? It should be possible to completely forget about the tick timer which is firing periodically, even when not needed. This only wastes power and fires useless interrupts. When a timer is needed, e.g. for vTaskDelay() or simular it would be sufficient to setup a single HW timer for the next closest expiring time when more timers are active. When this timer fires a interrupt is called which probably wakes the mcu and the OS could generate a timer event as normal. No need for a tick timer which counts down to implement a vTaskDelay(). The only back draw would be that FreeRTOS feature configUSE\_TIME\_SLICING is not possible. But this feature is actually only needed for tasks running continously at same priority and will there never block. Then a round robin scheme will schedule between these continously runnings task. At pure event driven systems this is not needed at all. Currently FreeRTOS supports only “tickless idle” which means that the tick timer is stopped when all tasks are blocked for a certain amount of time and is started again when a task gets ready for run. Much more simplier OS like Contiki does this already, why not FreeRTOS? regards spachner ---
**Author:** ![rtel](https://d3iykfbgfh8zhg.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.freertos.org/rtel/32/31_2.png) [@rtel](https://forums.freertos.org/u/rtel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.freertos.org/t/wonder-why-freertos-does-not-support-real-tickless-mode/6432/2 "2017-02-19T00:02:21Z")
**[rtel](https://sourceforge.net/u/rtel/)** wrote on [Sunday, February 19, 2017](https://sourceforge.net/p/freertos/discussion/382005/thread/67d042a7/#6944/b139): There are pros and cons of doing it either way, and the tickless idle method was chosen for the following reasons: - As you already noted, time slicing won’t work if the OS is always tickless. Many years of experience has shown us that only expert users who understand the consequences should turn time slicing off (and we do not consider just running every task at a unique priority so time slicing is not needed a reasonable restriction to put on people, for RAM consumption and design flexibility reasons). - It is difficult to keep re-programming the clock without slippage between the RTOS system time and calendar time. - Under heavy load it is simply more efficient to use a fixed per-calculated time period than to re-calculate a time period each time the scheduler runs and then re-program the clock. - Using the tickless idle mode CPU cycles are dedicated to saving power only when it is possible to save power, that is, when it is known nothing wants to run. - It is very common for people to add their own code to the tick interrupt using a tick hook. - The implementation covers more use case scenarios (FreeRTOS is probably used in a more wide number of use cases than Contiki). - Backward compatibility with old versions of FreeRTOS. - Probably other reasons too, the decision was taken quite a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://d2v6vdsk2p900z.cloudfront.net/original/1X/7fc8fdb729c645aab5b20282bbe34e57cb407be6.jpeg) [@system](https://forums.freertos.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.freertos.org/t/wonder-why-freertos-does-not-support-real-tickless-mode/6432/3 "2017-02-19T10:47:06Z")
**[spachner](https://sourceforge.net/u/spachner/)** wrote on [Sunday, February 19, 2017](https://sourceforge.net/p/freertos/discussion/382005/thread/67d042a7/#1cc8): Hi, many thanks for your fast and comprehensive answers. Although I understand your argumentations and concerns, I would appreciate to have at least the option to turn on full tickless support for experienced users. regards spachner ---
**Author:** ![rtel](https://d3iykfbgfh8zhg.cloudfront.net/user_avatar/forums.freertos.org/rtel/32/31_2.png) [@rtel](https://forums.freertos.org/u/rtel)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.freertos.org/t/wonder-why-freertos-does-not-support-real-tickless-mode/6432/4 "2017-02-19T14:44:47Z")
**[rtel](https://sourceforge.net/u/rtel/)** wrote on [Sunday, February 19, 2017](https://sourceforge.net/p/freertos/discussion/382005/thread/67d042a7/#1cc8/e066): Please add a feature request ticket in SourceForge.